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he Pythagoreans, of whom I was just now proposing to enquire about harmony. For they too are in error, like the astronomers; they investigate the numbers of the harmonies which are heard, but they never attain to problems-that is to say, they never reach the natural harmonies of number,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], or reflect why some numbers are harmonious and others not.That, he said, is a thing of more than mortal knowledge.A thing, I replied, which I would rather call useful; that is, if sought after with a view to the beautiful and good; but if pursued in any other spirit, useless. Very true, he said.Now, when all these studies reach the point of inter-communion and connection with one another, and come to be considered in their mutual affinities,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], then, I think, but not till then, will the pursuit of them have a value for our objects; otherwise there is no profit in them.I suspect so; but you are speaking, Socrates, of a vast work.What do you mean? I said; the prelude or what? Do you not know that all this is but the prelude to the actual strain which we have to learn? For you surely would not regard the skilled mathematician as a dialectician?Assuredly not,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], he said; I have hardly ever known a mathematician who was capable of reasoning.But do you imagine that men who are unable to give and take a reason will have the knowledge which we require of them?Neither can this be supposed.And so,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], Glaucon, I said, we have at last arrived at the hymn of dialectic. This is that strain which is of the intellect
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